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Dr Kelley lecture
> The following recording was made on Sunday afternoon, November 7, 1971
> at the monthly meeting of the Mid-Manhattan Chapter of the
> International Association of Cancer Victims and Friends. It was held
> at the Times Square Center, 410 West 45th Street, New York City. Ruth
> Sackman, the Executive Director, is heard as she introduces Dr.
> William Donald Kelley of the Kelley Research Foundation, Post Office
> Box 89, Grapevine, Texas, Zip Code 76051.
> Dr Kelly holds a degree of D.D.S., and M.S., in education.
> RUTH SACKMAN: “I’d like to tell you something about Dr Kelley. He’s a
> practicing dentist in Grapevine, Texas, Head of the Kelley Research
> Foundation, Fellow of the International College of Applied Nutrition,
> Member of the American Dental Association and many other dental
> societies and nutritional groups. Author of the book “One Answer to
> Cancer”. His research work has been reviewed and published by the
> American Cancer Society in their November December 1970 issue of
> Cancer Journal for Clinicians. He is presently working at Baylor
> university to obtain his Ph.D., as well as lecturing, writing and
> conducting a dental practice. Now I want to add to that, you have here
> a very compassionate man who is terribly interested in helping rid
> this country of this terrible disease. I know many if you would like
> to talk to him personally but he is exhausted. Many people have taken
> up a lot of his time but I do hope you will be able to get all of;
> your questions
> answered today. I am honoured to present Dr. William Donald Kelley.”
> DR. KELLEY: “Well, thank you very much Mrs Sackman. I have a problem
> most of the time getting people to hear me so if I don’t talk loud
> enough why you stand up and scream or something and I’ll holler a
> little louder.
> It’s a real privilege to be here in New York City. You really have a
> fantastic place here. It’s a jumping, live-wire place and we’ve really
> enjoyed it. We’ve been here, in and out of here, for almost a week now
> and we’ve certainly enjoyed being here.
> I want to talk to you today a little bit about the diet in
> relationship to malignant conditions. And first of all, we have to
> understand what we are talking about and to define our terms, and so
> we’ll spend a little time doing that. But the very first thing I want
> you to really understand is that, when you go along with me or I go
> along with you, the basic principal involved here is something that we
> as Americans are going to have to change our way of living. Period.
> This means a whole, complete radical change and the first thing is to
> change our philosophy of living. It’s too easy for us to whip out our
> little ‘ol pocketbook and get out one of these things and just go
> around and plunk it down and buy everything we want. This is the
> philosophy we are into right now and we’ve got to stop that. We just
> can’t buy good health – we just don’t have that much money—no matter
> who you are. It’s going to take more than actual money. It would be
> easy that way and
> I would like to do it and I tried it for a long time and it doesn’t
> work. We’re putting our physicians under a tremendous, horrible stress
> pattern whenever we think that we can take this beautiful instrument
> that God has given us – this most perfect machine that’s ever been
> developed and do anything on earth to it. We can smoke it to death, we
> can junk food it to death. We can stress it all day and all night. We
> can be angry, unhappy and ugly to it. We can mutilate it any way we
> want to and then when it finally wears down a little bit or wears out,
> wel1 then all we have to do is just run and pay the doctor a little
> money and he fixes it up. Well, we’re getting to the point now where
> we can’t do this.
> So this is what we’re going to talk to you today about: —let’s do
> something for ourselves, it’s our responsibility. You know, it’s each
> individual person’s responsibility. When you’re talking in terms of
> cures, we don’t believe in cures. I’ve got several degrees and I don’t
> care how many degrees you have in college and how many degrees you
> have, you can only cure one person and that’s yourself. You can’t cure
> another person. You can only give him help that he can cure himself.
> Put this is the definition of the term cure that we’re talking about.
> You have to do it yourself, your own body does its own curing. The
> doctor may direct you and you may follow this direction but you must
> do your own curing and your own body will cure itself or adapt to the
> stress it has been placed under.
> Now, first of all we want to talk to you so that you can understand, a
> kind or a philosophy in which we orientate ourselves. And we’re
> talking. in terms of diabetes, first. Let’s go into the history of
> diabetes. In all the history of the world up until about 1918 when a
> person developed a gangrenous foot or a gangrenous hand or had
> problems in this area healing, or had a bad injury that wouldn’t heal
> and so forth, then the doctor said “Well, you’ve got diabetes”. And
> they’d cut off a leg or a foot or an arm or something and say, “well,
> you’re cured of your diabetes”, and this isn’t true. Finally, it
> dawned on them around the early 1900’s that diabetes was a systemic
> disease. Up until this time you’d go into the doctor’s office and
> you’d say “Well, what can I eat?” And he’d say, “Well, it doesn’t make
> any difference”. “Just eat whatever you want to”. And; of course, we
> know better than that now. Almost all, an overwhelming amount of
> diabetes is
> controlled by diet alone.
> This is the same developmental level we are on at the present time in
> cancer. We go to the doctor now and when we say “what’s wrong with me,
> “why do I feel so bad?” Finally in a year or two they find out why.
> You have cancer. So they cut it out. So you say, “Well doctor, what
> can I eat?” Well it doesn’t make any difference. “Eat anything you
> want to. Eat a lot of meat and stuff and it’ll be real good for you.
> All the nutritionists have repeated the medical data, like Adele
> Davis, (who has done a beautiful job and she is a wonderful person and
> a good friend) but these people just don’t know what they’re talking
> about. It would be just as bad if you go to the doctor with a good
> diabetic condition and he’d say, “Well, you’ve just got to eat more
> sugar, you just need it, you’re deficient in sugar. You’ve got to eat
> more and more sugar”. Well, it just doesn’t work. So now what I’m
> trying to say is this. Diabetes is the inability of the body to metabolize
> properly, sugars and carbohydrates. Cancer is nothing more than the
> very simple inability of the body to metabolize proteins properly. And
> that’s all cancer is. And no matter how much you want to think of it
> in other terms, you’re going to eventually have to come back to the
> concept that cancer is nothing more than the inability of the body to
> metabolize proteins. It’s a systemic condition. It will not under any
> wildest imagination that you can contrive, this tumor or lump that
> you’ve formed or that develops in your body is not cancer. It is a
> cancerous tumor and is not the condition called cancer, any more than
> a gangrenous foot is diabetes. It’s just the result of a diabetic
> condition. And the tumor mass or glob or lump you have in your breast
> or in your prostate or in your stomach or under your skin or anything
> is nothing more than the end result of a general systemic condition—
> –the inability of the body to metablize protein properly.
> Now we want to know what causes this condition. And this is simply a
> failure of the body chemistry or an upsetting of the body chemistry
> and this is most frequently or can most easily be orientated around
> the function of the pancreas. The pancreas is the body’s natural
> defense against a malignant condition. It is the area in which we
> produce enzymes which metabolize our foods. Particularly proteins. And
> so we go into what fails in relationship to the pancreas. The pancreas
> fails and after the pancreas fails, usually it’s between 8 to 18
> months after the pancreas falls to function properly that you develop
> a little tiny cancer cell in your body and then this starts growing,
> the tumor. You shouldn’t say cancer cell, you should say tumor mass
> but most of us think in terms of cancer. But the tumor begins by one
> little cell developing.
> This grows for approximately 39 months before it becomes large enough
> for your physician to clinically find it. And then when that happens
> he says, “well, you’ve got cancer”. But you’ve had cancer for about 5
> years before he can find it. Occasionally you have a real rapid
> growing tumor and it nay he a year before they can clinically find it.
> A fast growing tumor or we should say a cancerous condition where your
> pancreas really fails real rapidly and you have a complete failure of
> the pancreas and then you develop a malignant condition rather
> rapidly. Generally most, or the largest percentage of our, malignant
> conditions or tumor masses develop over a long period of tine.
> Sometimes they’ll grow and sometimes they’ll recede. It depends on the
> diet. There are occasionally times that the tumor mass will grow for a
> while and then you change your diet and then it’ll dissolve for a
> while. Some people, on and off, have had cancer develop and recede,
> and recede, for several years, say 10 or 20 years. Which is normal,
> too. Which rather substantiates our theory or our basic concept that
> cancer is nothing but a systemic malfunction of the protein metabolism.
> Now, what happens. There’s about five basic things in relation that
> happen in the body whenever you fail in your protein metabolism or the
> pancreatic failure. One is the over intake of too much protein in the
> body. This is the first thing that happens in our American society. In
> Africa and in India they had very little cancer until the Americans
> came during World War II and introduced peanuts and other high
> concentrated proteins. We felt so sorry for those people over there.
> We introduced great concentrated protein diet of mostly peanuts and
> other products but mostly peanuts. And since their diet has been
> changed, of course, their incidence of cancer is much greater.
> And so what happens? Let me describe the typical beautiful cancer
> developmental person in his early stages. He’s a person, he or she,
> that gets up about 6 o’clock in the morning. This person drinks lots
> of milk, stretches a little bit, puts on their jogging clothes or
> takes some bending exercises or jogs around the block. He comes back
> in and eats ham and eggs for breakfast. He goes down to the office to
> work and gets into the office and about 10 o’clock he’s completely
> fagged. He has a loss of energy, tired. So he gets a package of
> peanuts and eats those. For lunch, on Monday he goes down to the Lyons
> Club and eats roast beef. On Tuesday he goes down to the Kawanis Club
> and eats roast beef. On wednesday, he goes to the Rlotary Club and
> eats roast beef. On Thursday and Friday, the same routine, he goes to
> some club and eats roast beef. Well now he’s gotten along pretty good
> in society end makes enough income that he can afford to be up in the
> world. He
> comes home and demands a steak or at least a half a pound of ground
> meat of some kind for dinner. And he eats this, which is good. And
> finally he tosses the baby up \in the air and plays with him for a
> minute and then flops over on the couch and somebody turn on the idiot
> box in front of him to entertain him for a little while. He sits there
> and reads or watches the idiot box for a while then, along abut 9:30
> he says, “Oh gosh, I’m so hungry. I’ve got to have something to eat”.
> He demands the wife to run out and get him a big bowl of chocolate ice
> cream. He eats that and goes on and dozes on and off between the late
> shows. Finally along about midnight, he’ll get up and has I peanut
> butter sandwich or a ham sandwich and another glass of milk and goes
> to bed.
> Well, this is typical. And if this man had three pancreas, there’s no
> way on earth that he could possibly digest all the protein, the junk
> that he puts down his intestinal tract. So what does he do? The
> symptoms are that he starts belching a lot of gas. He starts passing a
> lot of gas, until it runs through the house like a puffing 1870 Steam
> engine, and making about as much steam. And so we find that this is
> one of the very early signs of a malignant condition. We find that the
> person just cannot handle the protein and their pancreas is totally
> exhausted from trying to digest the junk that is put down the mouth.
> And this just overworks the pancreas, exhausts it. And what happens in
> a normal defense mechanism in a malignant condition, the person eats a
> reasonable amount of protein and the pancreatic enzyme secretes into
> the small intestine and it digests that. There’s plenty of pancreatic
> enzyme left over that goes back into the blood stream, finds its
> way into the body, and when it gets into the body it attacks any
> cancer cells that happen to be forming that day.
> The next most frequent cause of malignant conditions or failure of the
> pancrease function, so forth, is probably the mineral metabolism in
> our diet. Probably one of the best examples of this was a beautiful
> soul, a man in our area, that came in one time. He had cancer so bad
> in his chest, and through his heart and lungs that he could not
> possibly live. He had probably, at most, two months to live. He was a
> veteran. The Veteran’s Administration would not even use cobalt on him
> he was so bad. They said it was no use wasting cobalt on you, you’re
> so bad. So he said, “What am I going to do? I’ve got a real problem.”
> I saw his left side and it was quite enlarged and, there, he had his
> pancreas greatly enlarged. I thought this guy’s got a real pancreatic
> tumor. And so we ran our little evaluation tests on him and we found
> that his pancreas was not infected with malignant condition, that it
> was enlarged because the body knew that it had to defend itself and
> so it was producing about 3 times what he average pancreas would
> produce in enzymes to destroy the tumor mass. But it wasn’t working.
> These enzymes were running right by his cancer and just looking at
> them and saying, Goodby”. Nothing was happening. I said, Well, you’ve
> got a real simple problem there. All you have to have is minerals”.
> And he said, “Well, I don’t have any money”. I said, “Well, the only
> thing I know to do (we were really so poor that we couldn’t afford to
> give him any supplements) , the best thing for you to do is to go down
> to the local place where we feed (and in Texas we have a lot of places
> like this), and you go down and take a bucket or a fruit jar or
> something that you can get out of somebody’s back yard and get a quart
> of black strap molasses and take a tablespoon of this, three times a
> day”. He said, “Well, doctor, I thought you’d give me some fancy pills
> or something or some miracle cure. I said, “I’m giving you what you
> need and I don’t know anything about these miracle cures. That beyond
> my comprehension. I don’t have any rest machines or anything like
> that”. And so he did this.
> In about three weeks he called me back and he said, “Oh doctor, you’re
> killing me”. I said, “How’s that?” He said, “Well, you know my
> diabetes is so bad that I just can’t stand this sugar and its making
> me worse. And that makes my blood pressure so high that I just can’t
> stand it”. I said. OK this is what you need. Now, you’re very
> fortunate because if we can kill you with diabetes or with high blood
> pressure, then you don’t have to suffer the death of cancer”. He said,
> “Well, you’re not very sympathetic. ” I said. “No, that’s exactly what
> you need”. So he said, “OK” and he went on. I Said. “You can cut that
> down from a tablespoon three times a day to a teaspoon three times a
> day”. In three months he called and said, “I just don’t have the
> cancer any more and don’t have the high blood pressure any more and I
> don’t have the diabetes any more”. And I said, “Well, that’s good.
> Wasn’t that what you wanted?”. He said, “That’s what I came to get”. I
> said. “Well you got it now”.
> In order to get minerals into the body we must first have enough
> hydrochloric acid. The hydrochloric acid dissolves the minerals from
> the food so that they may be absorbed. We are assuming of course, that
> the food has minerals in it! We are assuming also that the food is
> grown on good soil and that we are eating real—not synthetic—
> foods. If we fail to have enough minerals in our diet, what happens?
> The blood is going to maintain a mineral level so it must pull the
> minerals out of the bone. In order to get a small amount of trace
> minerals needed, there must be a great destruction of the bone. After
> the bones are destroyed the excess Calcium is deposited end we have
> arthritic conditions. The doctors should consider mineral metabolism
> in their treatment of arthritic conditions.
> But the body has to have the minerals to maintain life. It has to have
> the protein to maintain life. So when this cancer victim starts into
> the loss of pancreatic function, he not only absorbs the bone
> structure to get minerals, he also absorbs the muscle structure to get
> protein. You have to have a certain amount of blood protein. Your
> blood protein has to be at a certain level in order to maintain life
> or you just won’t make it. If you don’t get enough protein in your
> intestinal tract through your diet, you’re going to get it pulled out
> of your muscles. And, therefore, you’re dissolving your own muscle
> system, you’re dissolving your own bone system. This is a typical
> cancer patient.
> In the next most frequent cause of pancreatic failure, number three.,
> here we find that we have blood clots that develop in the body,
> various parts of the body. Whenever a blood clot develops in the
> heart, we call it a heart attack. We get all the preferential
> treatment in the world. We get to lay in bed for a month. We get
> doctors running around and oxygen tents and all kinds of drugs and
> things and attention of nurses. Even your neighbours will mow your
> yard for you and everything. So this is really great. But whenever you
> have a “heart attack” or a blood clot in the pancreas, what happens?
> Well, you have a bad stomach-ache or stiffness in your left side there
> a little bit. This blood clot easy have wiped out 10 to 70% of your
> pancreas and you feel pretty lousy that night. The next morning you go
> to the doctor. Unfortunately our medical world has not developed an
> adequate pancreatic function test. So the doctor says, “you most have
> gotten food poison
> or you must have indigestion” . He treats you for both of them end
> sends you home and lets you stay in bed the next day if you’ve got a
> company with sick leave. If you don’t, if you own your own business,
> you go to work. And you don’t think anymore about it. From that point
> on whenever your pancreas falls, and you start your deterioration of
> the protein metabolism in your body which eventually leads to a mass
> or tumor that develops and is called cancer.
> And the next most frequent cause of pancreatic failure is probably
> emotional cause. You help the guy sitting in the office next to you or
> studying for this next to you for the last 20 years, did a lot of his
> work for him. Now comes promotion time. He has goofed off. You did his
> work and your work too and the boss promotes him over you. And that
> really upsets you. Just blows your mind, as the young people say. And
> this blows something in your mind, blows a fuse or something.
> Psychologically, it really wipes you out. So from that point on the
> nerve impulses from the brain telling the pancreas to work and to
> operate properly, well the message just doesn’t get there. The
> connection developed that should be working there is not working
> anymore. Or the husband runs off with the secretary or something like
> that. Her mother dies or the kid gets run over by a car or something
> is such a shock to you it just really upsets you tremendously. It
> upsets you physically
> or psychosomatically. And these are some of the main basic causes of
> failure of the pancreas.
> Now after the pancreas fails you have this inability to get protein
> into your blood stream through your intestinal tract. You get to the
> point where you just crave protein. You just crave milk. It’s just
> unbelieveable how much you crave milk and meat and nuts because your
> body knows that it need’s the protein. No matter how much you put into
> your mouth, none of its going to get into your blood stream. If we
> assume everything is working, everything is functioning perfectly. You
> grow your food on a beautiful soil and it has a lot of minerals, it’s
> -organically grown, no poisons…
> By the way, the fifth failure of the, excuse me, I forgot the fifth
> failure, of the pancreatic function is enzyme antagonists. These
> antagonistic things are poisons DDT, malathion, aluminum, lead, any of
> the pollutants we commonly think of in terms of what we’re fighting
> daily. The scientists discovered there is such a thing as ecology. Now
> the politicians are getting in on the act. They’re fleecing us more
> and more of our own money to do more things to save us from pollution.
> But pollution is a pretty significant thing in relation to cancer. An
> enzyme is like a little key that goes in and it’ll destroy or unlock
> the cancer cells and metabolize the protein whether it’s cancer cells
> or its beef steak, it’ll do the same thing. These enzymes,
> molecularly, have free-end radicals, and each little free-end radical
> gets stopped up with these poisons and pollutants that we have in our
> society now. This makes them very ineffective. It’s like, if you had a
> key to
> your front door and it doesn’t fit the key to my front door. There’s
> an enzyme that fits the key to digest meat proteins and your cancer,
> which it does. And say you lost the key to your house and you can’t
> get in, but in addition to that, if you have the key and you happen to
> act a drop of solder on one of those little bumps on your key, then
> you’re not going to get into your house. You can try to fit that key
> in your lock all day long and it’s not going to work. And this is what
> happens with the pollutants. It ties up the enzymes. It’s like
> dropping a bit of solder on your key, It ties up the enzyme so that it
> will not be effective. It’s like buying a brand new Cadillac without a
> gasoline tank. It’s all there and it looks nice, but it just doesn’t
> work. It needs all the parts and needs to be free to work properly. So
> these are the five things that are in refernce to the, that are the
> basic, and there are a lot of other little things that are, like .1%
> and .01%o f the frequency and we’ve got lists and lists of things that
> cause the pancreas to fail. But these are the primary things that
> should be considered. Now, let’s assume that a person has the food
> that he takes into his body, grown on beautiful soil with a lot of
> minerals, and so forth, and forget the toxin’s. Then we take it and
> put it into our mouth. First of all, we take it into the kitchen and
> we mutilate it, we destroy it. This is the first hurdle we have to get
> over. We go in and we process it in order to feed our massive
> population. Even if we had good food, it’s hard to get the good food
> to each individual, particularly in an area like we’ve got here. So we
> process it and put a lot of pollutants in it, and that’s bad for you.
> But even worse than that is that we cook it. And when we cook it, we
> destroy the enzymes. We make it, maybe, softer, make carrots soft so
> we can chew a little better, and so forth, but we’ve destroyed the
> enzymes in
> Now, whenever you take a fruit or a vegetable and you see a bruised
> spot on it, well you don’t want to buy that. But this is the living
> example, all the time, of enzymes working all the time. This is how we
> ripen fruit, is through the enzyme action of the fruit. If you keep it
> at a warm temperature, it’s going to ripen faster. If you keep it at a
> cold temperature, it won’t. It’s the action of the enzymes. And
> whenever you push on a pear, you’re going to have a little bruise spot
> on it, or an orange or a banana or a carrot or anything else. What you
> do whenever you mash or break the cell walls down, then you release
> the enzymes in it, and it starts predigesting. So whenever you take
> the food into your body, most of the food should be raw. You should
> put it in your mouth and chew it 28 times like the book says. What
> you’re doing there is you’re pre-digesting your food. Not with your
> enzymes that’s in your body. You’re not depleting your body of enzymes but
> you’re utilizing the enzymes that are already on the fruit and already
> on the vegetables. And whenever you get them working for you, you’ve
> gotten a long ways down the line. You’re starting to do something
> constructively. And so we must chew this rood properly and release
> their own enzymes. This goes down to the stomach, and there’s the
> stomach without any hydrochloric acid.
> Well, why doesn’t the hydrochloric acid work in the stomach? Why don’t
> we have any hydrochloric acid in the stomach? Well, two primary
> reasons. We need the chlorine ion and… I’m not telling you anything
> different than your doctor does and don’t let anything I tell you…
> you always have to clear it with your physician. And consider that
> possibility. I mean, I’m just telling you some general principles and
> each of your cases may be different. There are two things the whole
> health food industry agrees on and the medical profession agrees on,
> and they both agree on this one thing. And they’re both wrong. And
> that’s no salt. They just get kind of uptight about salt. There’s no
> reason to get uptight about salt, it’s a necessary thing. Don’t
> completely neglect salt. You have too much salt but you need enough.
> So in order to have hydrochloric acid in the stomach you have to have
> enough chloride ions in the body. And then, too, you must
> psychologically, or
> physiologically I should say, turn on the hydrochloric acid.
> What do we do in our society? We go out and we eat a salad and we eat
> it first at the meal. That tells the stomach and the hydrochloric acid
> function to turn off. So turn off. So we don’t need that, we’re having
> salad today. Or we’re having fruit and we really need hydrochloric
> acid particularly for that, right now. So it turns it off. You need
> the hydrochloric acid mostly for meat and for the protein’s. We eat
> things backwards in our society. We should, when we go to the
> restaurant, and they serve you a salad, set it aside and slap the
> waiter’s hand if he takes it away before he serve’s you, and then eat
> it after you eat the meat. Then eat your vegetables and stuff, which
> would be the ideal way. Then you eat the meat first, why? It turn’s on
> your hydrochloric acid. However, if you’re an ulcer prone person, it’s
> OK to eat your salad first. That cuts off the hydrochlorlic acid so
> you don’t get too much of it and that will help you along with ulcers. But
> the vast majority of us don’t have ulcers. Unless it’s specifically a
> regional thing. Maybe in New York City you do but in most of the
> country, not everybody has ulcers. But you might consider that
> Now that you’ve got the food into your stomach with a good
> hydrochloric acid supply, then it comes down into your small intestine
> and here, really, this is where the whole factory blows up. You have
> several factors in the small intestine. It is really significant.
> First of all your pancreas has dumped a lot of enzymes into there, and
> we assume that’s right. Your liver has to dump a lot of digestive
> juices, a lot of bile, and so forth. From the factors the liver dumps
> into your intestinal tract, makes it alkaline. It gets bile and does
> the fat metabolism. If you don’t have a good liver, why then you have
> a strike against you.
> So now we need to balance, and get your liver working better. And this
> is not too bad a job, but anyhow we must consider this possibility. We
> must always have your liver working right. So you have a small
> intestine that really is a beautiful machine and it has millions of
> little finger-like projections out from the inside of the intestine,
> and these little finger-like projections give a mass surface of many
> miles of digestive capacity so that it absorbs. Inside this little,
> villi finger-like, thing sticking out into the intestinal tract are
> the blood vessel’s where the food is absorbed and goes into the main
> artery, goes into the liver, into the body to supply the body with
> food. We’ve eaten so much milk that these little finger-like
> projections into the intestinal tract have got mucus stacked about
> this deep in there. There’s nothing, short of dynamite, that can get
> this mucus out of the way long enough for the food to get up here to these
> finger-like projection’s. So all these finger-like projection’s are
> just coated and filled with mucus. This is why we eat so much and
> we’re so hungry all the time. You take a big `ol fat girl and she is
> starving to death. You look at her and say, “Why, that big `ol girl,
> she ought to quit eating. She just eats like a hog! Sure she eats like
> a hog. This finger down here is starving to death. It sends a message
> up to the brain, “Give me something to eat, my God, give me something
> to eat, for heaven’s sake, I’m starving to death”. After that turns
> on, this poor lady eats and eats and eats and it goes down into the
> intestinal tract, and what happens? Some of the water and a little bit
> of the sugar trickles into these villi that’s working there. She’s
> starved to death for minerals and proteins and vitamins. She lives on
> a little bit of sugar and a whole lot of water. She’s just stuffed
> full of water and sugar.
> Now you take a real skinny ‘ol guy, and he is so skinny, he’d eat you
> out of house and home, and he’s still skinny. There’s no way on earth
> you can put weight on him. He’s suffering from the same thing, he’s
> got so much mucus attached in there. This mucus is selective. On some
> people, it only lets sugar go through, and on some people, only
> protein. On this guy, it only lets protein go through or maybe a few
> minerals, but mostly, just proteins. All he can assimilate is protein.
> He can’t assimilate any of the vitamins and minerals and
> carbohydrates. He’s starved to death. You say, “My God, he’s got a
> tape worm. It’s bad enough to have one kid to feed, but to have one
> kid with three tape worms is an impossible grocery bill.”
> But it coud be the mucus, because you’ve fed him milk all of his life,
> and cottage cheese. Now cottage cheese and milk is so good, such a
> good mucus builder that you can just kill yourself with it. And
> Metracal is anther one, and all these things that you’re trying to
> reduce with. You eat more and more Metrecal, and this type of junk,
> and this wipes you out. You can’t absorb any food. So that’s OK, you
> just go around starving for the rest of your life. And then people
> expect you to function good at work. Your husband expects you to feel
> good all the time and you can’t. It’s impossible for you to starve to
> death and feel good. The boss expects you to perform, and you can’t do
> it. The teacher expects you to perform at school, and you can’t do
> it…because you’re starved to death. Basically, we’re just starved to
> death. There’s great malnutrition in our nation, just unbelievable.
> It’s from many causes, but this is one.
> So let’s assume that, in some miracle way, barring dynamite, we can
> get this mucus out of the intestinal tract. We can digest it off with
> enzymes. And finally get this upper intestinal tract cleaned out. Now,
> a lot of people say, “Well, I’m going to go home and take a lot of
> colonics and enemas.” Well, they won’t ever get up to your small
> intestines, so don’t try that for this reason. Don’t try to take
> enough enemas to clean out your small intestinal tract, because you
> can’t do it. But you can digest this off with enzyme’s. And let’s
> assume you’ve gotten that digested off. Now you’ve got a villi
> sticking out here that’s just coated with food and now it’s ready to
> absorb all this food. You’ve got a blood vessel inside that little
> villi just circulating blood. Then you’ve got two primary factors
> involved there that’s keeping you from getting the food down here to
> this little cell at the end of your finger. One is, this blood vessel
> should be this
> big around, say, and it’s about that big around. You just barely get
> anything through it. Most of this blood vessel is coated with white
> sugar. You’ve eaten white sugar all your life and your body can’t
> utilize all that and it can’t even store it all so it has to do
> something. It can’t even throw it off as waste, you’ve put so much
> down from lemon meringue pie to chocolate eclairs. You’ve just jammed
> your body with so much white sugar it has to store it somewhere. So it
> store’s it on the blood vessel and the blood vessel get smaller and
> smaller and smaller, mixed up with cholesterol and other junk that you
> eat. So you have a little tiny hole and your blood flow should be,
> maybe, a gallon through this vessel in an hour, and maybe you get a
> pint through there. And so that’s a problem. The best way we’ve found
> to clean up this blood vessel is just plain simple “Terribly
> expensive”, black strap molasses. If we could make it more expensive,
> some way, why
> people might utilize it more, but it’s so cheap, black strap molasses
> is so cheap that they won’t ever use it. This sugar can be cleaned out
> with this simple black strap molasses. Take a tablespoon in a cup of
> hot water, twice a day, or three times a day, twice a day is adequate.
> Now, you take grandma who’s senile or grandpa, and you get them on
> black strap molasses a couple of times a day, or three times a day,
> and in about 6 month’s they’ll be sharper than you are and you’ll have
> to hustle to keep up with them. If you don’t live with them, just make
> the nursing home take care of that problem. Anyhow, they’ll run
> circles around you. At the nursing home, you can let them have the
> black strap molasses. And so we get this blood vessel cleaned out. Now
> you’ve got a big vessel there that’s got plenty of freedom, but the
> next factor involved, you just hate to drink water or anything. I
> guess it is kind of dangerous to drink water anymore.
> Your blood is so thick, that it just mopes through there like an old
> tired horse. It just barely chugs through the blood vessels. Instead
> of a gallon a minute going through there, maybe a pint a minute goes
> through there, because it’s just too slow. This is one of the big
> factors in heart attacks. The blood is so thick, you’re dehydrated
> Your actual blood system is dehydrated. The best way to correct that
> is also one of these terribly expensive things, and that is: you take
> a third of a glass of juice, apple juice, pineapple, grapefruit,
> carrot, any kind of juice, it doesn’t make any difference, and
> two-thirds of water, mix that up with a little bit of salt, an eighth
> of a teaspoon, just put a little shake of salt into this and stir this
> up. The salt and the juice solution will force so much liquid into the
> blood stream and dilute the blood stream and get it back into a proper
> volume. You need a good amount of volume in your blood stream. So now
> you get the volume in your blood stream right. Now then you’re really
> wheeling and dealing. Now you’re about ready to do something in your
> body. You’ve got good food going to your stomach, you’ve got it into
> the villi and it’s going up to the cell.
> It comes up to this finger up here, end the finger says, “Wow, I’m
> really getting something. Well now, I can really get some good food,
> and I’m so thankful.” And this little cell up here in your finger
> says, “That’s great”. It starts absorbing all this good food its
> getting. And you really have problems now. You really begin to have
> your problems start. This cell has had to live on junk for so long; it
> says, “I’ve got something good to eat in there and I’m going to unload
> all that junk”. So it throws all that junk out into the blood stream
> and absorbs all the good stuff out of the blood stream. Then your
> blood stream is loaded with junk or toxins. You begin to feel lousy.
> This fill’s your blood stream so much with toxins, and the blood
> stream can’t handle it, so it backs up into the lymph system. Your
> lymph system fills up and then it swells and stretches and you get
> achy, and hurting all over. You get sick and nauseated and headachy
> and you loose your
> appetite. I’m going to insult you for sure now. I hate to do this to
> you, but you’re going to have to take an enema at this point. It takes
> about three weeks after the cells really start working that you get
> the loss of appetite, you get the head-achy feeling, you just feel,
> generally goopy. That’s the best way to describe it, goopy, ugly sick.
> You just feel lousy, in general. And so you need to take a good enema.
> Coffee enemas are good, or anything to keep the colon cleaned out, to
> help the liver unload the poisons. And the kidneys– keep drinking up
> fluids to keep the kidneys washed out. Keep the urine flowing
> beautifully, because the kidneys and the liver have to dump this
> poison out. The lungs, take good breathing exercises. Go huff and puff
> around the block until you sweat. Get some of this poison out. Anyway
> you can get it out of your body, get it out.
> You finally get this balanced. You get the poisons coming out of your
> system, and you get food back in there and this cell starts
> re-growing. It starts having a normal, healthy environment to live in.
> You’d be surprised. It really perks up and you begin to feel good. You
> might feel good one day and then feel lousy for two or three. But
> every once in a while, you wake up and just feel like you did when you
> were 14 or 15, and feel like you could whip the world with one hand
> tied behind your back. And then your problems begin. This cell up here
> has waited 20 years to get something good to eat and says, “My God, I
> don’t want to stop this”. It continues that same message up to the
> brain, “Give me something to eat. I’m hungry.” It’s just gotten into
> the old habit of repeating the message. It’s afraid it’s never going
> to get anything else to eat, and it doesn’t want to stop now. It wants
> to store up a bunch good stuff, because you may get back into the
> old problem you used to have before this. You really need a
> psychiatrist at this point, because it’s really going to be tough.
> This thing continues to send a message to the brain and unless you
> have a lot of self will, and so forth, you’re going to get wider and
> wider and wider. You’re going to keep on eating as much as you always
> did. And when you keep on eating as much as you always did, instead of
> assimilating 5% of it, you’re going to assimilate 95%. You’re going to
> get fatter and fatter and fatter.
> So the problem is, that you must start at this point to learn to put
> your hands firmly on the table and push back. And do it quickly, about
> a second or two after you sit down to eat. You’ll eat about one-tenth
> as much as you normally used to eat. And this is important, but I
> guess you can get fat if you can afford a new wardrobe and everything,
> but it’s better to learn to eat less and keep your body in good shape.
> Now you’ve got your body functioning normally and there’s no way you
> can help but get well after this point. No matter what you do now,
> it’s too late, you should have gotten there sooner, because you’re
> going to get well now. And this is the primary thing.
> Now, you want to Know: Do I have cancer or don’t I have cancer? How
> can I tell. The doctor’s not allowed, it isn’t his fault, it’s our
> political situation.. There are many tests available at the present
> time that he can use, and you can get through this organization. You
> can do it yourself. They can tell you how to get these tests. But your
> doctor has a real problem. You can send your urine samples off to the
> Philipine Islands or to Mexico and you can get back the results of a
> test that you have cancer or you don’t have cancer. There’s a little
> test that we developed in our research. You punch a little hole in
> your finger and take a drop of blood out on the end of your finger and
> you can tell, pretty much, whether you have the condition of cancer,
> quote, bad protein metabolism, unquote. You may not have a tumor mass
> developed yet but you’re on your way. You can tell by the way this
> little drop of blood comes out on your finger. It’s very simple. That
> may cost you 35 cents or so. If that’s not too expensive for you, you
> can try another test that’s a little bit more expensive than that. It
> take’s about 3 or 4 dollars.
> If you want to know whether you have cancer or not, you go down to the
> drug store and buy some pancreatic enzymes. Get Pancreatin, made by
> Lilly Co., Parke-Davis, or whatever the druggist has at the drug
> store. Get a bottle of a hundred tablets of triple strength. five
> grain Pancreatin, no matter what company makes it, it doesn’t make any
> difference to me, or it shouldn’t make any difference to you unless
> you like the color of the pill. You take about five of these, four or
> five of these after each meal for about three weeks. If you do nothing
> else but just do this, at some time within the three weeks, you’re
> going to start feeling lousy. You’re going to start getting headaches,
> you’re going to just get to feeling goopy sick. You’re going to start
> to have a loss of appetite and maybe get nauseous. If any of those
> things appear to you during this period, you can rest assured that you
> have a malignant condition in your body with actual cancer cells
> present. So what do you do then? You say, “this is killing me”. Like
> my brother. I told my brother to go see his doctor, and I told him to
> do this. He did this and in about 6 days he got just violently sick.
> He felt real lousy, and got the headache and then the loss of appetite
> and everything. He said, “Why I feel so bad, this is terrible. You’re
> tryin to kill me”. He took the rest of his bottle and threw it down
> the drain and flushed it and stomped on the lid. He said, “You can’t
> do this to people”. I said, “Well they’re going to have to go through
> with it some way or another.” Finally, I convinced him that he had a
> big enough malignant condition that he should do something about it.
> He did.
> Whenever this happens, when you get this real poopy sick feeling, then
> stop taking the enzyme for about five days. Let the body clean out
> these poisons, then start again. And keep doing this on and off. The
> second time you start it, start taking them again, you may not be
> taking them for more than 10 days or a week before you feel sick
> again, or feel lousy. But keep taking them, until you can take them
> for about three months without feeling bad. Then you’re pretty well
> clear of the condition. And after that if I were you, I’d take at
> least three after each meal for the rest of my life, particularly if
> you’re over 40 years of age. This is a good thing and you need them to
> help the pancreas. It’ll supply the enzymes that the pancreas doesn’t.
> Until the medical profession finds a real good test for pancreatic
> function, I believe that I would do this. If you are over 40, I would
> take some pancreatic enzymes because this would really be a help to your
> general health. Now pancreatic enzymes do not work like cortisone, or
> some of the hormone factors work where if you take too much of it,
> it’ll destroy your pancreas. It won’t do this. Pancreatic enzymes are
> amino acid or protein themselves. What you don’t use for digesting
> food and cancer, you’ll use them to build new cells.
> Now if you detoxify yourself and you’ve got your good nutrition to the
> individual cells, you’re well on your way to recovery from almost any
> chronic disease. This doesn’t do much for infectious disease or
> traumatic conditions. The medical profession is quite skilled in this
> and you always need a doctor. Don’t throw your doctor out the window.
> He does as much as he can. He just isn’t skilled in nutrition yet, but
> he is going to have to be in order to survive in this world that’s
> coming up in the next 20 years. He’s going to have to be more skilled
> in nutrition.
> Now let’s talk about the diet that you need. It would be good for
> anybody, but it’s good, too, for malignant conditions. There are some
> things that you should not do. And let’s run through those first. You
> should not eat any animal proteins after 1 o’clock. This is, milk,
> meat, cheese and meat of all kinds, animal flesh products. You should
> also include in this after I o’clock, peanuts. You ought not eat
> these. These are the main things to not eat. Now also you must not eat
> white sugar or white flour at any time. Just give that up for a lost
> cause. Now all these things, this would be good for anybody. Then
> things you can have in the diet. You can have all the fruits and
> vegetables you want, all the grains and nuts and cereals that you can
> handle. Of course there are some individual differences. Some things
> you can’t handle. If you need some things you can’t handle, why then
> you just can’t handle it. So don’t keep on forcing yourselves, but
> most people
> can. We’re just making a general statement. You can eat almost
> anything else. And it’s to your advantage to eat everything you can
> raw. I don’t think we’ve’ turned on our stove in the last 6 months.
> Oh, yes, we do once in awhile, we make some popcorn, I forgot about
> that, and occasionally we make a pot of tea. We turn the stove on to
> heat the water for tea. But at our house we never cook anything. It
> just never dawns on us to turn on the stove, unless we want a little
> hot water for tea. And that doesn’t happen very often.
> Now a lot of people discredit popcorn. Popcorn is a pretty good food.
> And probably the only “junk” food you can eat. I mean, like you go out
> to a movie’ or anything. It’s probably the best of the junk food that
> you can eat. Dr Walker is death on popcorn but I can’t see this yet. I
> haven’t been able to justify their bad position or their condemnation
> of popcorn. Many civilizations live on corn and it’s a very good food.
> It makes me feel like I’m really out sinning, whenever I go out to a
> movie and eat popcorn. So it’s really nice to have something that you
> can eat without really hurting yourself.
> Now there are a lot of questions that you have, that will get us into
> a technical discussion and we can rattle on. I’ve got nothing to do
> til 7 o’clock in the morning, so I’ll be glad to answer anybody’s
> questions. They say you can’t smoke in the building, so if any of you
> are having a nicotine fit now, why run out and relieve this fit. And
> then come back and we’ll have a Is this what we’re going to do?
> Ruth Sackman announces question and answer period after intermission.
> Questions and Answers
> Q. What does a person do who is unable to tolerate raw foods anyway?
> A. Of course you are going to have to cook them and take an
> over-abundance of enzymes. They make a vegetable enzyme that works
> well at a high PH. Like a PH which is almost pure acid and there are
> some companies, such as The National Enzyme Company in Chicago who
> manufacture them. You take this plus pancreatin enzymes if you can’t
> eat raw food. You take this with the meal—a cooked meal.
> ~ Q,, What is the name?
> A. The name is actually called N-Zines, made by the National Enzyme
> Company in Chicago, Illinois.
> Q. Would you say something about the diet, i.e. morning. noom and
> evening meal, for people.
> A. We generally don’t like to plan menus for anybody because we find
> that if I tell you to eat this and you say, “I don’t like this, I an
> going to get off the program.” I’ll tell you the routine most people
> use—-the 14 grain cereal for breakfast. They take carrot juice
> mid-morning and mid-afternoon. Fish for lunch and then have things
> like a salad or vegetables for lunch or supper also. Nuts. The best
> nuts to eat are particularly almonds with each meal and if you want,
> you can eat a lot of nuts like cashews, filberts and brazil nuts.
> These are good. These are also good for people who are hypoglycemic.
> This is the best thing to maintain the blood protein level. This will
> give a lot of strength and relieve symptoms better than most things
> that are available.
> Q….You treated this awhile ago. Can I eat raw foods with an ulcer
> present? Do you recommend anything in particular, say an oil before a
> meal to ease the symptoms?
> A. You’ll have to work that Out with yourself and your physician. You
> try to eat as much raw foods as you can. You can juice a lot of
> carrots and use a lot of other juices, spinach and potatoes. Used in a
> juice form, I don’t think will upset your ulcers too badly. Maybe as
> the doctor said, “take an oil before a meal”. Anyhow, you will have to
> work it out for yourself, with your physician.
> Q…Would you State if there is any corrollary between meat and cancer?
> A. That is what we spent time talking about up to now. The
> correllation is that 85% of the total cancer problem today is caused
> by the over-intake of animal protein. There is a definite
> correllation. Now if you want to stamp out this 85% just stop eating
> meat, milk, cheese and peanuts after one o’clock. Then our whole
> society will change. It will be a great, beautiful change. The
> American Dairy Association was quite upset with me but then that’s
> tough. I wish the day would come when a restaurant could charge $10
> for a good salad. They would make their money and you would be healthy
> and happy and live longer and make more money so you could afford the
> $10 Salads. I don’t know what to do about the American Dairy
> Association. I guess have more baby cows, because that’s where milk
> belongs in 1,000 lb. babies. Maybe we can have more cows for some
> reason. But I think as a society, we ought to change our habits and
> it’s about time we did it.
> Q. Do you have anything to say about collagen diseases? Do you think
> your plans diet, etc. and enzymes could help?
> A. Any systemic disease or chronic disease of aging process etc, could
> be helped by nutrition. Your body God designed to work, functions
> beautifully almost all the time. Cancer is just a minor disease. In
> fact, we weren’t interested in cancer for a long time after we knew
> what to do about it. We were interested in a lot of other disease
> syndromes. Whenever you get a body functioning properly, then you’re
> going to get well and there is nothing you can do about it. Just get
> it right and you’ll have health regardless.
> Q. You recomend protein supplements. I have found those made of soya
> lactose or animal protein, high in protein. Are they therefore,
> harmful to cancer patients?
> A. We recommend protein supplements because we want to get the right
> amount of protein into the body. If you don’t have enough protein in
> the body, the cancer is going to grow a lot more rapidly because your
> own natural defence system has to have protein. Your pancreas has to
> have protein to produce the enzymes which are protein and amino acids,
> which are necessary to defend yourself against cancer. This is why the
> grape cure works so beautifully for a short period of time and after
> that you just fall apart. Whenever you take the grape cure, you take
> no protein at all. Then what enzymes are available in your pancreas go
> directly to work on your cancer and your cancer is absorbed at a rapid
> rate. Then, if you take enough grape juice to give you energy and
> strength you will go on beautifully, thinking you have it made. But
> all of a sudden something happens you collapse.
> This is because you have depleted the body of the raw material
> necessary to manufacture enzymes for your own self-defence. So we
> regulate by taking some protein supplements in the diet. We make sure
> you have enough, but not too much. This is best brought out in a study
> we did where we took a lot of young people, that is, I straighten
> young people’s teeth. I took a blood sample of these kids. They took a
> lot of protein supplements from the health food store and their cancer
> count rose and rose and went on up. They got tired and got the general
> cancer pooped-out feeling from the cancer syndrome. So then they
> thought they would get off these protein supplements because they were
> too expensive. Naturally, they were so tired. The cancer was
> developing so rapidly in their body, they didn’t feel like exercising
> and doing all the things they did and all the effort it takes to build
> muscles. So they give it up and then their cancer count would go back
> to normal.
> Next year they would start in again. We did enough study on this to
> know that if you take extra protein supplement’s, you should take the
> enzymes to help digest them. Some of these kids we told to take enzyme
> with the protein, we did a double study on them. The ones who took the
> enzyme went ahead and developed their muscles, felt good and played
> football, weight lifting, did their studies in school and had no
> problem. The ones we didn’t tell to do this, they just washed
> themselves out. So protein is important. Sowhenever you take protein
> in extra amounts, you need to take an enzyme with it. Adele Davis and
> many of the medical authorities say you have to have 150 grams a day.
> Further Studies, produced I believe, at Loma Linda College at Medicine
> at Los Angeles, found if you are an athlete in training or a heavy
> Steel worker, you need 50 gram. The rest of us who sit around and do
> nothing every day don’t need that much. We need a lot less than 50 grams.
> Don’t get disturbed if you don’t have 100 gram a day.
> Q. Please give a menu for a period after the 6 day purge and fast period.
> A. We don’t give menus. We tell you things. What to do and not to do.
> You go on your normal healthy diet. We need to talk about the 6 day
> purge. 3 days of purging and 3 days of fasting—that may be too hard
> on a person. If that’s too hard, you ought to do 1 day purging and 1
> day of fasting every 2 weeks and then go back to the normal healthy
> diet after that. We don’t give menus. We’re in the process of
> developing a print-out computer system that will do this and someday
> we’ll get this done.
> Q. Where can you get the urine test?
> A. You’ll have to ask Cancer Victims and Friends. Mrs Sackman here
> will be able to tell you that later.
> Q What is the value of coffee in the coffee enema? Do you obtain the
> same benefits by drinking coffee?
> A. Well, we have people who want to know if they can have cream and
> sugar with their coffee enema. The advantage Dr. Gerson found is that
> the coffee enema goes directly from the colon into the liver. Shocks
> the liver to a great extent, helps the liver dump a lot of its poisons
> and toxins out of the liver back into the intestinal tract. It cleans
> the body out rapidly. It stimulates the body, detoxifies the body.
> Drinking coffee generally works just the opposite. It destroys the B
> vitamins and shouldn’t be used. I just don’t recommend coffee
> drinking. I never have. The only contra-indication when you shouldn’t
> take a coffee enema too often is when you have a badly affected
> adrenal gland. When your adrenal glands are completely exhausted, you
> should limit your coffee enemas to 2 or 3 a week. But when we first
> started this system, we were scared to death, like everybody else is
> when they first get cancer. For example, we had a beautiful little
> girl about
> 20 years old with a bad malignant condition. She would take large
> doses of the pancreatic enzymes which was dissolving the tumor too
> rapidly. She felt real bad. So she would take coffee enemas every 3 or
> 4 hours. She did this for several weeks and then she cut it to 2 or 3
> a day. Then she cut it down to I a day. As the cancer dissolved and
> she got better, she cut it down to 1 a week, for awhile. Then the
> cancer was over. But most people usually can’t take more than 1 coffee
> enema a day. How can you tell when you have had enough coffee enemas?
> If you take a coffee enema and you feel better, you are not taking
> them too close together. If you take a second coffee enema and it
> doesn’t make you feel better, then you are taking them a little too
> close together. So you wait-. If you take one in the morning and it
> doesn’t make you feel better then you had better skip a day and take
> it every other day. That would be the best criteria for that.
> Q. On detoxification day, are the supplements discontinued?
> A. We have answered this many times. It doesn’t really make a lot of
> difference. We generally Send a routine answer — that it is better
> to stop the supplements during the detoxification period.
> Q. This Concerns people who have had radiation therapy and
> chemotherapy. How does this affect their chances eventually in using
> your therapy?
> A. Whenever you take chemical therapy you are going to wipe out your
> liver and if you have a strong enough liver, you can take chemical
> therapy. It’s alright to take chemical therapy if your liver is strong
> enough. It doesn’t interfere or help with our system. Sometimes it’s
> important to take it to save your life because some-times it takes 2
> or 3 weeks for the nutritional program to really become effective. You
> may not have that much time. Chemical therapy doesn’t matter to me; it
> is just between you and your physician. Radiation is a different
> problem. Legally, you have to do what your physician says you should
> do; or at least discuss it with him and work this through between you
> and your physician. The only time that I found that I would take
> radiation therapy of any kind would be in extreme pain situation.
> Where the pains are so bad that drugs could not possibly help, then
> you might have to use radiation to destroy nerve tissue. Eventually
> to me, slows down the circulation in the area and prohibits the
> natural technique, natural cure taking place.
> Q What Substance would interfere with your testing of the blood?
> A, Nothing will interfere with it.
> Q, Estrogens?
> A. Nothing, absolutely nothing.
> Q. How does one get to you in Texas?
> A. We are really not interested in working very hard. It costs us too
> much money. For every patient we take, it costs us more money than the
> patient can possibly pay. We are basically a research organization and
> we do primary research and we are under individual grants from private
> people. The only way you can get to us is to have a written request
> from your physician and your physician will have to send you. Then it
> takes about a month or so before you can come to see us. We are only
> allowed by the people who pay the bills to take about 3 people a day
> because it costs too much. If you had about $500 that you wanted to
> spend, well—– we just can’t take more than a limited number of
> people a day.
> Q. How long does one stay there?
> A. You stay about half a day. It doesn’t take long to do this. If you
> fly into Dallas and rent a car and drive over to the heart of downtown
> Grapevine, you finally discover someone in town who knows us. You come
> in and we test you. It takes about 3 hours to run the test and about
> an hour to talk to you and tell you all you need to know and then you
> go home and do it. Many times we make a cassette tape for your
> physician and explain this to him and you, but we can not work or take
> anybody at all without the request of their physician.
> Q. Are there certain patients you consider beyond the scope of your
> treatment? That is too far gone or something like that?
> A. Yes. If they rate a 1,000 on our scale. We find that there is no
> hope for them. We have a scale from 0 to 1,000. 0, you have no cancer
> at all and 1,000 the cancer is functioning perfectly and there is no
> hope. We have never had anyone rated 1,000 on our scale who made it.
> We’ve had probably 3 that rated 1,000 or above, and they did not make
> it. A lot of times people rate 950 and 960 and this gives them about a
> 20% chance of making it. But the ones that don’t make it are the ones
> that don’t even follow the program. They just say it’s not worth the
> effort and they don’t have the stick-to-itness to stick to the
> program. Occasionally we lose some.
> Q. Here’s a person who has an exceptionally large fibroid tumor of the
> uterus. She was wondering if she could be helped by followinq your
> A. Fibroid tumors. We don’t give any predictions. We’ve had many
> successes with fibroid tumors by balancing the body chemistry. The
> only thing I know is that there is an improper mineral balance in
> fibroid tumors and sometimes proper mineral balance will correct it.
> Q. There as a person who has been taking pancreatin with each meal and
> she does not get sick from it but is getting progressively worse. Do
> you have a comment?
> A. Progressively worse with malignancy?
> Q. She thinks.
> A. Well, chances are you are not assimilating your food or there is
> something wrong, probably the assimilation factor in the body is bad
> or she may be too far gone, but I doubt that.
> Q. Do you have anything in particular to say about the use of kelp or
> iodine, or are they a part of your general mineral program?
> A. The kelp and iodine should be a part of your general mineral
> program. You can take all the kelp or anything you want for
> mineralization. Vitamins and minerals.
> Q. One person would like you to repeat your enzyme quantity and procedure
> A. Well, if you just want to test yourself and see whether you have a
> malignant condition. I think that’s what they are referring to. You go
> to the drug store and get a bottle of at least 100 triple strength
> pancreatin tablets. You take 14 of those after each meal for about a 3
> week period and this should either lower the boom on you or relieve
> your mind. If you feel lousy or nauseated or have loss of appetite
> during this time, well then, you had better check into it a little
> more seriously. If you feel no affects—well then, you don’t have to
> Q. Do you think you might help diverticulosis?
> A. Well, diverticulosis is from a lot of causes, but anytime you get
> your body functioning normally and healthy, it will be some help to it
> (the diverticulosis) . And get your body toned properly too. You can’t
> function properly until you get some minerals and the body chemistry
> balanced. A lot of times it does help. It doesn’t always.
> Q. This person is upset about your statement about protein. She
> wonders just what you mean. I think you should distinguish, say,
> animal and vegetable.
> A. We were talking about no protein in our book. We should have said
> no animal protein. Vegetable protein can use a different enzyme for
> digestion— that is not the same enzyme that is used for cancer. You
> can have vegetable protein like nuts and all the vegetable proteins
> are real good. Some animal protein up until one o’clock but you better
> eliminate animal protein after one o clock.
> Q. Why?
> Q. Would you say what the different juices are? Do you have a preference?
> A. Different juices are significant. The Germans thought they could
> improve on our program when they got the basic program. So they
> started giving massive doses of Vitamin A which they thought we got in
> our carrot juice. They thought there was a significant factor in
> carrot juice. So, “we are just going to give our patients Vitamin A by
> injection, etc. and by mouth and So we won’t have to mesa with juicing
> carrots.” (Good carrots are hard to get in Germany. They went ahead
> and got a lot of Vitamin A. So what happens in this case? They forget
> one significant factor, and that is that we are not only interested in
> the Vitamin A because it helps break down the tumor wall and allows
> the chemical therapy or the enzymes to come in and destroy the tumor,
> but in addition to that, if you also have carrot juice you also have a
> great supply of minerals and so that is the factor they are
> forgetting. This is why their rate of success is not as great as ours is,
> because they have bypassed the concept of mineralization of the body,
> and you must do that. Another thing, if you mix carrot with the celery
> juice you have a good chance of balancing the phosphorous, potassium
> and sodium balance in the body and this is significant.
> Q. I was thinking about the centrifugal juicers, the press juicers, etc.
> A. Press juicers versus centrifugal force juicers. The test we’ve
> run—the press juicers are 2% better than the centrifugal force
> juicers, but 900% harder to do. When we find most people don’t feel it
> is worth the effort. The 2% extra that they get from a press is not
> worth the 900% cleanup trouble that they have with the press types. It
> is up to you. There is a 2% factor there.
> Q. Do you advise any other Vitamins and mineral supplements?
> A. When we test for individual persons and we can provide an
> individual program. But you Should have a multiple vitamin as we have
> listed in supplement #1. Our concept is a good strong multiple
> vitamin. Of course, a natural is better than a drug store variety or a
> synthetic variety. This is what our ultimate goal is — to get you
> off all supplements and to get you on 14 grain cereal, black strap
> molasses. That’s all the supplements you need. But until you get your
> body chemistry balanced, why you are going to have to take some
> Q Someone has said that the 14 grain is a very difficult food to take.
> A. That is right, until you learn to live with it. There are some ways
> you can doctor it up a little bit to get it down. At night if you mix
> some honey or raw sugar with it and let it ferment during the night,
> its helps it. Some people take and put almost boiling water over it at
> night and put it in a wide mouthed thermos and it tastes more cooked
> the meat morning. It doesn’t seem to injure it any. And then you put
> any kind of fruit on it the next morning, it makes it taste better.
> You eat it for 3 or 4 weeks and you get off it and you’ll miss it. It
> is something like your boss. You like to have something to gripe
> about. This is a good thing and then you become friends at the end of
> stout 3 or 4 weeks.
> Q. A person has a question concerning the pancreatin at a pharmacy.
> Can you obtain a similar or about equal pancreatin at a health food store?
> A. All pancreatin is a natural product. A lot of people say they
> wouldn’t eat the kind that comes from a drug store because it is not
> natural, but it is; it all comes from the same pig or cow. We find you
> have to watch the dosages. Approximately what you need is a 1,000 mg
> of NF or single strength pancreatin. You need about 3,000 mgs single
> strength pancreatin with each meal. That’s the ultimate criteria. So
> if you take about 4,000 mgs single strength pancreatin with each meal,
> this the normal maintenance dose for the average person over 40.
> Q. There have been several questions concerning your blood teat,
> i.e.the opposition raised by the medical profession. Also people would
> like to know something about how it is done – the mechanics of it.
> Would you care to comment upon that?
> A. Our blood test has never been critized by the medical profession.
> They have an injunction against me for publishing and printing and
> distributing my book which they say is the practise of medicine. This
> book is not practising medicine. Everything you read in this book they
> say is the practise of medicine and of course, this should not be
> done. No other court and no other society has ever said that a book
> can practise medicine, but in Texas it’s a different horse. They want
> the book stopped so they use any method. So we are in the process of
> going to the Supreme Court about this. If you have any extra shekels
> to help us go to the Supreme Court or if you can write a letter’ to
> the N.H.F. and ask them if they would support us, not only financially
> but morally, and to give the weight of their organization behind us.
> Freedom of the press is what we’re involved in. They got an injunction
> for practising medicine, which I never do and never have done or
> intend to do, because I’m not that smart in medicine and I’m not
> inclined that way anyhow. I just want people to be nutritionally sound
> people and I am only a flunky for your doctor. I don’t ever try to
> tell him what to do. If he asks me some advice and what would I do, I
> tell him. If it works–that’ s good. But he is still responsible.
> There are so many things that happen in a person’s life that you have
> to have a doctor and I’m not trying to discredit doctors or eliminate
> them. They are just going to have to go the nutrition route and they
> might just as well do it now. They are going to do it.
> Now in relation to our test….Before I got involved in this, we studied
> the whole history of medical persecutions of independent researchers.
> And so they want to know the value of our test and how it is done
> mechanically. The people who finance this—its such an expensive
> operation, they elected in the beginning when studying the history of
> persecution by the medical profession, that never at any time (unless
> they change their minds). to give any information about the mechanics
> of our test. All we do is test and tell you what to do. It’s like
> Jesus said, “after all is said and done, it’s what works that
> counts”.. “And by the fruits you shall know them”. If we tell you what
> to do and you do it, why then that is all we are interested in anyhow.
> The medical profession historically asks a guy how his test is
> run–then they find out how to do it—then they wipe him out and make
> their big claims that they have discovered something new—and then
> put him in
> prison. Then about 2 or 3 years later there is a great discovery and
> they come up with this test and everybody thinks they are heroes
> again, which they are, but the way they get to be heroes is not too
> good a method. So I don’t want to get involved in that method or get
> wiped out myself. So the people who finance this will not allow any or
> this information to become available until this is socially acceptable
> and then we’ll talk about it later.
> Q. There have been quite a few questions on your previously mentioning
> urine testing.
> A. Urine testing is a good thing. Dr. Beard, way back in the early
> 40’s or even before then, developed a urine test that tells whether
> you have cancer or not and it is a very good test. It’s about 95 to
> 98% correct and accurate. What is measured is the gonadotrophin. There
> are only two times in the life cycle of the human being when you have
> gonadotrophins excreted in the urine. One, when you are pregnant and
> one, when you have cancer. If you are not pregnant and this test shows
> up gonadotrophin, then you have cancer. Now the problem involved in
> this is that Dr. Beard is one of those people who is going to save the
> world and tried to force his test on the medical profession. The drug
> companies accepted this test when made the two hour pregnancy test kit
> out of it. Now they have a 2 minute pregnancy test. They are using the
> same principal that he developed and the same system. They are making
> a fortune out of it. Dr. Beard is starving in Fort Worth,
> Texas. The man who developed it all has been persecuted, stopped from
> talking and this is the standard procedure. I talked to the companies
> who produce these tests and I told them five years ago that if they
> don’t stop telling the doctors that this is a pregnancy test kit, they
> would run into trouble. About six months ago they finally admitted
> they had run into trouble because they have had so many false
> positives on these tests. The urine test which they use for pregnancy
> —they told too many women they were going to have a baby. That
> either upsets them or makes them happy and nothing happens. They get
> so many raise positive tests so I told the company five years ago that
> they have to tell the doctor’s that this test will test for pregnancy
> and cancer. These are available in every laboratory in every state and
> every medical supply company. The test they use for pregnancy is quite
> crude and it can be refined just a little bit and can be used for cancer
> detection. And maybe someday, in the next 3 or 4 years, the medical
> profession will socially accept this thing as a cancer test.
> Q. Impossible to hear from the tape.
> A. ? First part of answer also to understand Most people, as I told
> you, today whether they are fat or not, are starving to death for
> Q. Quite a number or questions concerning low blood sugar here and
> something like black strap molasses.
> A. Blackstrap molasses will make the symptoms more severe. In
> hypoglycemia you can get your minerals some other way if you want to.
> I don’t think anybody really understands, or not very many truly
> understand what hypoglycemia really is. And if we ever get a publisher
> who will publish our works—I have written another book about the
> same size that our cancer book is—-it will completely eliminate all
> the hypoglecemic problems if we can get it published someday. It is as
> simple as cancer.
> Q You make quite a distinction between peanuts and nuts. Will you
> comment please?
> A. Well peanuts are a high protein nut. The others are too, but
> peanuts are really a legume and not a real true nut. Also there is a
> mould called aflotoxin that is characteristic of it. Unless you have a
> good source or peanuts and check each one before you eat them, or get
> a good organic source where they don’t have mould on them, it’s a
> little bit risky to do this because they use this aflotoxin as an
> irritant to cause cancer in laboratory animals.
> Q. You’ve been talking quite a bit about pancreatin, but you haven’t
> said too much about HCL as a supplement.
> A. HCL is a good supplement and should be used at the beginning of
> each meal. Maybe one HCL tablet if you tend to have a low HCL content.
> One or the best ways to tell when you need HCL is, if you take 5 meal
> and immediately have gas or burping or tend to have distress within a
> half hour after eating. Then you are low on HCL. This is about the
> only way you can tell without testing, unless someone else knows a
> better way. Then you can take 1 HCL tablet. If you get too much HCL
> you risk getting ulcers, upset stomachs towards the other way
> Q. Quite a few have asked questions having had cancer, having had
> different types of treatment and they apparently feel well. You have
> said something about this before but I think that some people still
> are worried about this.
> A. You still find that you are worried about cancer. We find that all
> the people who have had cancer and feel well now, have generally
> changed their pattern of living and sometimes you can have a cancer
> (and it’s very rare), that the shock of surgery turns the pancreas on
> full blast and it goes on for the rest of your life and you don’t have
> to worry about it. But by far, most people who have had cancerous
> tumors removed still have one or two in the body growing. Probably
> less than l0% who have had a cancer operation are completely free of
> cancer. If you feel good and have no problems, take 3 pancreas tablets
> after each meal and forget it. I’d go on and be happy.
> Q. One Person has a question concerning embryonal tumors, Is your
> treatment also effective with this type of tumor?
> A. If they are thinking about the same thing I am, normally this work
> good with this type of tumor.
> Q. There is one woman 88 years old who is rather anxious to do
> something. She wonders if she can undertake your particular test and
> A. Age level doesn’t make any difference to us. It doesn’t hurt to eat
> good no matter how old you are. And something like my grandfather he
> was told he would die if he didn’t give up biscuits. Well he said he
> would just as soon die. So he never did change. He lived to be quite
> old. We can’t see anybody without the request of their physician, so
> if the patient is willing to co-operate and take a tough program and
> diet, she might live to l00 but she may not want to.
> Q. One person has been told by his doctors that 3/4 of his liver has
> been ‘shot’. Do you have a reassuring word for him?
> A. Yes, that’s just how mine was. They told me my liver was gone and
> I’m still kicking. We find that a lot of times the tumor is on the
> liver and not in the liver, destroying the liver itself. It’s around
> the liver itself, and the liver tissue is not so badly damaged, as is
> this tumor growing adjacent too and mingled with the liver tissue. If
> it’s the liver itself that’s completely destroyed and eaten up, if 3/4
> of it is gone, it is going to be a problem. The only precaution you
> have in this case is if dissolving of the tumor is slow enough so that
> it doesn’t overload your body with toxins. Just so you keep it
> dissolving just a little bit. It’s the rate of dissolving that counts.
> Why most of the deaths that we had originally were involved with
> dissolving the tumor too fast. We dissolved them too fast until we
> learned better.
> Q. Quite a few questions emphasizing the importance of Vitamin E and
> Vitamin C and perhaps the other B Vitamins in combatting cancer. You
> have made very little mention of these. Would you comment please, doctor.
> A. Whenever your cell finally has nutrition brought to it and it gets
> all it wants and it starts dumping out all it’s poisons, Vitamin C
> helps get rid of the poison at the cell level. It breaks down the
> electromagnetic field force around each individual cell and massive
> doses of Vitamin C are called for, for a couple of month’s, it will
> help get rid of the toxins and start the flow of toxins out of the
> body. It’s OK to take Vitamin C in good size doses. Vitamin E—-a lot
> of the researchers hold to the Otto Warburg theory of oxidation. You
> have a lot of oxygen in your system. Oxygen utilization helps cancer.
> If you hold to that theory, Vitamin is a good oxydizing agent and
> helps in the utilization of oxygen. In that respect Vitamin E can
> help. Vitamin E can help in this respect and it won’t hurt. We don’t
> recommend a lot of Vitamin E because if you are really tough, like
> some Texans who can take it, the 14 grain cereal has a lot of Vitamin
> E in it and
> you don’t have to take any pills with it. If you can’t stand the 14
> grain cereal, then Vitamin E is real fine. Dr. Shute helps stroke
> victims with a build-up of sometimes 3,600 units a day. The average
> person he recommends about 1,200 units for the male, and about 800 for
> the female. Vitamin B? The B complex is good. Of course if you eat the
> l4grain cereal, you will get a lot of the B, and in the right balance.
> When you get the B complex out of balance, that is when you get into
> trouble. If you take too much B6, then you will deplete your body of
> B2 and then you’ll have the nervous rigors. So this is a problem. You
> need well-balanced B Vitamins. You get it in yeast and grains. You can
> take the B Vitamins, maybe B1 you can take separately, but other wise
> I would make sure I had a B complex instead of individual Vitamin B’s.
> Liver is a good thing for B complex. The 14 grain cereal is listed in
> our cancer book. You can call IACVF and they can give it to
> you because it takes a long time to write it all down.
> Q. There have been many questions concerning the elimination of the
> mucous on the villi. They don’t understand.
> A. Now, the mucous on the villi. I’m talking to you and not promoting
> any company doctor. A long time ago, Dr. Lee (who developed Standard
> Process Laboratories) never knew when he developed this, but we
> discovered this independently, he developed a tablet that had comfrey
> in it and also pepsin. Now the comfrey root is a sticky, gooey mass
> and it sticks. This pepsin, which is a digestive enzyme, against the
> intestinal cell long enough for the enzyme to digest the mucous off.
> This is an easy way to do it. Now what we recommend is two of these
> comfrey-pepsin tablets made by this company, after each meal for about
> 3 months.….after one year, for about 3 weeks to make sure you have
> your upper intestinal tract cleared off and the debris removed from
> it. I read, about this time last year that the Queen of England was
> somewhere and she had to take her glycerine and pepsin. Now in England
> they do this a little different. They take a teaspoon of glycerine and mix
> it with about 1 teaspoon of pepsin and make a paste in the bottom of a
> cup. Than they fill the cup half full of warm water and they drink
> this between meals. The glycerine is also sticky and it sticks the
> pepsin against the intestinal tract to clean it out. These are the two
> primary ways that I know about. There may be other ways. We’ve done
> some work with the enzyme from pineapples and papaya and sometimes
> this helps a little hit to clean the mucous. It causes some kind of
> enzymatic action in the intestinal tract.
> Q. Where can you get them? What company makes them?
> A. I think you can get some of these in health food stores, but most
> of these companies that make the enzymes from pineapple and from
> papaya, particularly pineapple are prescription items that your doctor
> will have. There are several of them. They use them in medicine to
> reduce swelling and surgeons use them. They are amylase. There are 2
> or 3 brand names but they are all prescription items. You can ask your
> doctor and he will look it up for you.
> Q. How about comfrey?
> A. Comfrey and pepsin is made by the Standard Process Laboratories.
> Q. Where is it?
> A. They have an office here in town. (Ed. note – They moved their
> office recently to Watertown, Mass.) You have to have a doctor to get it.
> Q. ‘Will vegetable enzymes do as good as pancreatin?
> A. There are papaya enzymes in some of the health food preparations.
> But you cannot take a vegetable enzyme and expect to cure yourself of
> cancer because it just won’t work. But it may help to clear the mucous
> and a lot of the health food company’s papaya may help clear the
> mucous, but we don’t have the data to be sure this will happen.
> Q. How about colonics?
> A. As I said, all the colonics in the world will not help your small
> intestine. There are 33 feet of small intestine there and a colonic
> only washes out the last few feet of the large intestine. Besides
> that, you have a valve. the ilcocaecal valve at the point of the
> appendix, where the water does not go back up the small intestine,
> even with a high colonic.
> Q. There is one person here who says enemas are not possible with her
> or him. Are they absolutely essential?
> A. If for some reason you can absolutely not have an enema, you should
> take a good laxative and keep the stool quite loose and keep the flow
> of poisons out of your system. Keep the poisons out of the colon-if
> you absolutely cannot take an enema, you can only do the next best thing.
> Q. What about Bentonite?
> A. The Bentonite is a good detoxification of the intestinal tract and
> helps pull poison out of the system and is a real good thing, but it
> doesn’t destroy the mucous. It does destroy poisons, etc. Mucous is
> actually caked on there somewhat like Elmer’s glue. When it’s on
> there, it just has to be digested off.
> Q. Now long does it take?
> A. Like I said you take comfrey and pepsin after each meal for 3
> months. Next year we take it, 2 after each meal for 3 weeks.
> Acidolphilus does not remove the mucous from the smell intestine. It
> keeps the acidolphilin balance and does a lot of other wonderful
> things. but it doesn’t do the mucous much good.
> Q. Cannot be heard.
> A. We’re getting a question on milk here. Now milk, as I said before,
> is made for 1,000 lb. babies that moo. Whenever we got our babies, (we
> have 4 adopted children), we didn’t give them cow’s milk. We got 4
> goats. They had milk until they were 3. We don’t let our children have
> milk. Milk is not good. You can use a little yoghurt. One of the
> reasons we got involved with milk is because pasteurized milk, the way
> I see it, being an orthodontist, is one of the causes of crooked
> teeth. If children drink it their jaws become depleted of calcium.
> Pasteurized milk is one of the biggest causes of orthodontic problems
> plus other things, but this is a significant factor.
> Q. How can you get the cereal down without a little milk?
> A. I didn’t use milk at all. Sometimes you can use pure cream diluted
> with water. I just eat the cereal raw. Just gobble it down. Some
> people can’t stand it. A lot of people put it in a blender and make it
> thin enough so they can blend a banana with it and they just drink it
> Q. What protein do you give your own Children?
> A. You can give them meat and other things unless they have a cancer
> condition. If you really want to do a good job of feeding your
> children, you get into the vegetarian system. But you really have to
> know what you are doing if you eliminate meat from your diet. Of
> course I’m not a member of either church, but there are two primary
> groups in the United States that do a beautiful job teaching people
> the proper system of vegetarianism and that is the Mormon and the
> Seventh Day Adventist Church. They have good teachings and a lot of
> good books in relation to diet. Don’t be a vegetarian unless you know
> what you are doing.
> Q. What about soy milk?
> A. Soy bean milk is OK in infants, I imagine. But don’t ever feed kids
> baby food. All it does is make Gerbers & Beechnut and all the others a
> lot of money. And also makes the Allergist a great deal of money. The
> Pediatrician will tell you to feed your child meat at the age of three
> weeks and that’s the most ridiculous thing that has ever been devised
> by human beings. The intestinal tract isn’t even adequately formed by
> that time and you give a child meat from a jar at the age of three
> weeks. I’ve seen mothers brag that their babies ate meat at three
> weeks. Then they begin to nurse their asthma and allergies. The
> intestinal tract is kind of big and sieve-like and these meat
> particles in great globs fall through the intestinal tract and get
> into the blood stream. You form all the antigens and allergies. This
> is a terrible thing to happen to a child. You give a child goat milk
> until they are at least six months old and then give them table food
> after that
> and don’t give them any meat until they are nine months old.
> Q. There are questions by people who are under other therapies such as
> cobalt or Laetrile. They want to know if there are any
> contra-indications to continue their present therapy and going on your
> A. None whatsoever. It doesn’t hurt to eat something —you might just
> as well eat the right things. No matter whether you are taking 5 F.U,
> Laetrile or cobalt or whether you are going to the hospital for
> surgery, if you eat well, your chance of recovery is so much greater.
> If you are going to have surgery for a malignant condition you should
> take your pancreatic enzymes for about 3 weeks in advance of surgery
> because this will help prevent the spread. A lot of people think if
> they are going to do surgery it is going to spread the malignancy. But
> if you have a good pancreatic supply of enzymes in your blood level at
> the time of surgery, you are not going to spread the malignancy and
> don’t forget the recommendations of your physician for surgery if you
> have a good pancreatic enzyme supply.
> Q. Here are two questions, apparently dissimilar, but relating to the
> same thing: This person has finished her cobalt treatments several
> months ago but her pain continues. This other person has just been
> operated on for cancer of the breast, radical mastectomy, she says I
> felt marvellous before the operation, why did I not feel sick. There
> are two questions— one felt wonderful and one felt miserable.
> A. Well the cancer can grow without feeling sick, particularly the
> fast growing type. Sometimes your pancreas fails all of a sudden. and
> your’ cancer grows rapidly. Sometimes your body isn’t depleted and you
> don’t get a run-down condition before the cancer. The easiest way
> doctors find cancer is in the voice box, the breast and in the
> bladder, at the real early stages. If they can find it early and get
> rid of it, why that’s good and you generally don’t feel bad. It’s the
> slow growing hidden ones that you can’t see, and that don’t interfere
> with your functions, that grow for several years. Now, the first part
> of the question?
> Q. This person was in much pain and feeling miserable and had cobalt
> and is still feeling miserable.
> A. Cobalt, a lot of times after treatment in slow growing
> Q. What I was intending was the contrast between these two patients.
> A. Well, in a cobalt situation or any other situation, one feels bad
> for a long time at first. If it is generally a slow growing thing were
> they both breast cancer?
> Q. It doesn’t say.
> A. If you feel bad for a long time and in a lot of pain..….Pain you
> must remember and if you don’t take note: the most painful thing that
> happens to a human being is stretching syndrome. The bladder is the
> only tissue made that was designed to stretch. Any other tissue is
> painful. The most painful thing that happens to a human being is
> stretching. Whenever you have a lot of toxins in your body, whether it
> is from cobalt, or anything that causes toxins to develop in your
> body, they are stored in the lymph system. The lymph system stretches
> and stretches and keeps filling and filling with this debris and junk.
> The more it stretches, the more pain you have. This is normally what
> happens. In this case it maybe where the nerve itself is being pinched
> from some other cause. The most frequent cause of pain in cancer is
> stretching of the lymph system. When the lymph system is quite
> stretched and gorged with debris material, whether it is growing cancer or
> dissolved cancer, it is quite painful. When you detoxify the body, it
> is the best relief of pain. If it’s from a toxic condition or if it’s
> from some other cause —they will have to find the basic cause
> —whether it’s from a nerve injury or something like that or a nerve
> impingement of some kind.
> Q. May I ask a question of the pancreatic enzyme that is used to
> dissolve the cancer? Has there ever been any radioactive labelling of
> it to see if it dissolves the cancer?
> Q. May I ask a related question? You have published a book, have you
> published any other literature or articles?
> A. We have published articles about other things but not in relation
> to health. We are ready to do some when we get a publisher.
> There are other methods of determing whether there is radioactive
> utilization of pancreatic enzymes. Anyone who wants to do that can. We
> haven’t actually done radioactive studies ourself. But that’s not the
> only requirement or criteria to see whether it works or not.
> Q. Where have you come up with the relationship?
> A. There are many things that have been written since 1900 about this
> and you can get the information through the International Association
> of Cancer Victims and Friends.
> Q. Would you comment about the foods. The contrast between the organic
> foods and foods that are obtained from the supermarket. Do those from
> the supermarket impede recovery terribly?
> A. It is almost impossible to have all organic food. In many parts of
> the country there is not enough available. You are going to have to
> use supermarket foods. It is better to use organic foods. Even organic
> foods are grown next door to the people who spray and pollution from
> the air also drop on organic food. We tested food and found that even
> organic foods are highly contaminated and so finally we get as much
> organically grown food as we can. At our house we always process our
> food properly, whether it’s supermarket or organically grown, by
> cleaning it as best as we can. There are a lot of cleaning devices.
> The air force found that if they put a teaspoon of clorox in a sink
> full of water and soak all their vegetables in that and in addition to
> that, we use BasicH or some of the detergent cleaners which come from
> the health food store, specifically to clean vegetables. Some people
> even use a weak solution of hydrochloric acid. You can consult with your
> local health food store. They have a lot of products with which you
> can clean the food.
> Q Does soaking foods destroy many of the vitamins and minerals?
> A. A lot of people say whenever you clean a food, you lose a lot of
> minerals but you don’t, as long as the cell walls are intact.
> Q. Gerson said something about the ground – that it was different in
> organically grown food.
> A. It is always better to have organically grown food – there is no
> question about that. But if you can’t, you just can’t.
> Q. There is a question concerning almonds. Whenever using almond or
> apricot kernels, do they need to be blanched and the skins taken off?
> A. We never found it necessary to. There are all kinds of fads and
> fanaticisms. A lot of people feel that the skins of almonds have too
> much tannic acid. We don’t hold to this. We give almonds for the
> protein content and so if you want to blanch them its OK. I myself use
> them with the skins on.
> Q. What progress in dietary therapy did you observe at the ACS
> conference this week?
> A. I don’t associate with those boys too much. My thing is getting well.
> Q. What about eggs?
> A. I think eggs are a good food. I don’t eat them often. The research
> is that they are good food. The best way to use eggs is to soft boil
> them in the shell. Dr. Cheraskin, a well known authority, thinks it’s
> baloney about the cholesterol. He used 700 dentists and had them eat 2
> eggs a day and their cholesterol count decreased.
> Q. Question is about cellular therapy.
> A. Cellular therapy is the implanting of embryo cells in the body.
> When the pancreas fails from blood clots, etc, you need to re-grow the
> pancreas and this would help in a great number of cases. Cellular
> therapy seems to work. We tested people we didn’t know had cellular
> therapy and it works. We did a double blind test on cellular therapy
> and it works well. You don’t have one form of treatment – and just
> before one is dying of cancer you have to do more than one thing. You
> have to do several things at once.
> Q. Can polyps in the rectum be treated nutritionally if they are
> malignant or otherwise or is surgery ok?
> A. That depends on your doctor. Surgery is not a bad thing and
> sometimes it is helpful. I would make sure to change the diet and be
> in good sound health and then if you have surgery it is that much
> better. Sometimes surgery is indicated.
> Q. Should white sugar be taken off the market?
> A. Yes, it ought to be against the law – and white bread also.
> Q. Can you explain more about low-blood sugar?
> A. Low blood sugar is a malfunction and if you can correct these
> things you can pretty well wipe out low blood sugar:
> 1. adrenal failure
> 2. pancreatic failure
> liver failure
> 4 mineral balance
> 5. circulation
> Whenever you have all of these things working well, you are not going
> to have low blood sugar.
> Q. What about mixing vegetables and fruits?
> A. There are a lot of fads about mixing vegetables and fruits in the
> same meal. There is a controversy about this. The researchers who are
> working on it say if you take enough enzymes, then you can. I don’t
> recommend myself that you eat raw fruit and fresh vegetables at the
> same meal. Most of the researchers don’t hold to that. They feel it is
> alright to mix it up any way you want to as long as you take enough
> enzymes to digest it properly.
> Q. Do you consider 1200 units of vitamin D a small dosage?
> A. Yes.
> Q How do you explain the coffee enema stimulating the liver?
> A. The coffee is absorbed in the large intestine. The large intestine
> absorbs liquid. That is its function. It goes directly to the portal
> vein, to the liver immediately.
> Q. If someone has a cyst in the breast and wants to nurse the baby,
> could this have an effect on the growth of the cancer?
> A. Of course you would have to ask your doctor about this but the way
> I feel about it is I don’t think you can transmit cancer in this way.
> Q. I don’t mean transmitting it. I mean can the patient get worse?
> A. If you take your nutritional supplements, your enzymes, I don’t
> think it will make any difference.
> Q. Do you have any information on feeding citrus pulp to cattle be
> cause citrus pulp has vitamin C and pectin and pectin kills
> undesirable intestinal bacteria that causes diarrhea in cattle? And
> about giving cattle linseed oil and linseed meal?
> A. Well, linseed oil is of course flax, and the rind of grapefruit is
> good. Citrus pulp and the effect it has on anybody is a good question
> because we are all interested in stroke. We find that the pulp of
> grapefruit and the bottom and peel, the bioflavanoids, and the rutin,
> which is what is involved here, and what they are getting at, we find
> that this is good for the blood vessels and if you have blood vessels
> that are fragile and tend to a stroke, or you have varicose veins, you
> need the bioflavanoids and rutin. This strengthens the blood vessels
> themselves to make them more elastic and they don’t fracture as
> easily. Therefore, you don’t have so many strokes or varicose veins.
> This is the advantage we find clinically.
> Q. You recommend buttermilk and yoghurt. Should it be raw?
> A. What we are interested in in buttermilk and yoghurt is keeping the
> intestinal bacteria count at a high level. You can take this in a
> tablet form from the drug store or from the health food store or you
> can take it in culture form from the health food store. It is better
> to use it in culture form than to use buttermilk, but buttermilk is
> more readily available than yoghurt because there aren’t health food
> stores in every part of the country.
> Q. How much buttermilk?
> A. You shouldn’t drink over I glass of buttermilk a day.
> Q. Is it possible to care for an enlarged thyroid nutritionally?
> A. An enlarged thyroid is generally due to a bad mineral balance and
> it is called hyperplasia. The cells are screaming for some-thing to
> eat and they are just enlarging and enlarging because they are trying
> to get something to eat. If you give them a good nutritional program
> generally, they will probably normalize. Chances are greater that they
> will than that they won’t.
> Q. If a parson gets up in the morning and breaks out in perspiration
> and has a terrible sensation, like a blood sensation, could this be
> A. We don’t diagnose or treat anybody. Normally your autonomic nervous
> system is out of balance and you have sweats, etc. This is sometimes
> caused by a great number of worms in the body or the nervous system is
> out of balance. Or you could be suffering from hypoglycemia or
> hyperinsulinism. Those things are characteristic and you need to have
> your doctor help you find the reasons for those.
> Q. If you are taking pancreatin and dissolving toxins and not taking
> enemas, will the poisons eventually come out of your system or will
> they stay there forever?
> A. They will eventually get out of the system. It is not wise to dump
> all the poison into your system without helping your body take care of
> it, but whenever we say coffee enema, we insult moat people. If you
> can’t take or don’t want to take it. you can just taugh it out.
> Q. Would your therapy help leukemia?
> A. This therapy works quite wall – it has in the past. In 3 or 4 weeks
> in a leukemic patient. It should show a marked change where you are
> practically over it. If you do it right. If it doesn’t work that
> rapidly, you know that you have a bad amount of malignancy somewhere
> else in the body too. Leukemia is no different than other forms of
> cancer. Just in a different place. Hodgkins disease is the same thing.
> Hodgkins is the second easiest to cure. Leukemia is the easiest. Bone,
> brain and skin are the hardest. Not really hard–slower. It depends
> upon the circulation at the site of the tumor. It doesn’t matter
> whether it is one or another kind of cancer. It depends upon the
> amount of circulation available to get the material to the site of the
> tumor in significant amounts.
> Q. Would you say something more about how to clean the vegetables? How
> do you use Clorox?
> A. At our house we take Basic H, put 2 or 3 drops of that and a
> teaspoon of Clorox in the water. We let the vegetables soak for 30
> minutes. We drain this off, fill the sink full of clear water and let
> vegetables soak for 30 minutes. Then they can be eaten.
> Q. Do you get all the DDT out?
> A. No, I doubt if you get it all out. That is the best you can do in
> our society.
> Q. You mentioned that some patients died because the tumors were
> dissolving too rapidly; then you changed the system. What change did
> you make and how did you control the rate of detoxification?
> A. You take your program until you feel sick, complete loss of
> appetite, then we tell the patient to give up the pancreatic enzymes
> completely for 5 days and then start again. Maybe they can go ten days
> and then stop again. You can judge the toxic condition of your body by
> the way you feel. And this is the way you are going to have to
> regulate it. You should do it until you feel bad and then just stop
> it. Wait awhile and start in again.
> Q. Do eggs give you cancer?
> A. No.
> Q. What is the best way to get calciuni
> A. Calcium is good in the body. Milk depletes the body of calcium. You
> get calcium from carrot juice and vegetables. That is the best way.
> Q. Would you consider something unorthodox, like Laetrile?
> A. If you have enough money and want to take Laetrile it’s alright.
> There’s nothing wrong with it. It is bad-mouthed by the medical
> profession because they do not have financial control over it.
> Q. A lady who is not allowed to eat raw food because she has a bad
> condition in the colon. What can she do.
> A. The cooked vegetable you are talking about we mentioned twice now.
> You have to take two things if you can not eat raw vegetables: 1) You
> take vegetables in the form of juice. 2) You take a large amount of
> Q. What kind of salt should one use?
> A. Sea salt.
> Q. What can be done for pyorrhoea?
> A. Pyorrhoea is the first stage of arthritis. First you have
> pyorrhoea, then osteoporosis and then you get arthritis. Mineral
> balance is off and the calcium-phosphorous balance is off. First of
> all the mineral balance should be built up and get the
> calcium-phosphorous balance corrected. What can be done basically is
> take blackstrap molasses and then take Hydrochloric acid at the
> beginning of each meal and eat a lot of raw food.
> THE END